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AlexanderSAQKeymaster
Dear Roman,
Thanks for your feedback on our test with SAQ on Dec 20th 2024.During the test transmission, we did a lot of tuning to try different methods and approaches to get a good and stable signal. Only for shorter periods of time, we ran with a steady signal, the rest of the time, we tuned, something you also heard. We also started up the “V” wheel, which is an original mechanical device from the 1920’s, which can produce the morse character “V” in an endless row. Initially the speed was very high but we were able to set it to approx. 20 wpm after some time.
Our morse code operator was also keying a short test message. We feel that we managed to get a strong and stable signal out from our antenna and everything looks promising for the Christmas transmission on Dec 24th.The leakage in the magnetic amplifier can be as high as 10%, but we have not been able to measure it yet, it is a very difficult environment there with voltages up to 10 kV, depending on where you want to measure. We will work on getting these measurements done any time soon.
The output power is about 80kW to the antenna, we don’t want to magnetize the Alternator any harder due to its age.
At full power, 200kW, the antenna current is close to 100A in each vertical down-lead from each tower, however, for the last decades it has been set to about 35A.
The Antenna efficiency was originally 14% but nowadays it is more likely close to 10%, due to its age, meaning that we manage to get some 8kW into the ether at key-down.Fredrik / Alexander association
AlexanderSAQKeymasterInteresting report – many thanks!
It would be great if you could issue an official report, using our online form that can be found here: https://forms.gle/TRZwGrvTMCcEpEvF8Thanks in advance
Fredrik / Alexander associationAlexanderSAQKeymasterHello!
SAQ will be on air now from 13:00 CET Friday Nov 29th for shorter periods of time until ca 15:00 CET.
Comments are welcome to info@alexander.n.seFredrik / Alexander association
AlexanderSAQKeymasterDear Eelo,
Yes, there is a transmission planned for December 1st. Read more here: https://alexander.n.se/saq-to-air-on-dec-1st-anniversary/
However we are also preparing for the traditional Christmas morning transmission on December 24th. More info about this will be out soon.Fredrik / Alexander association
AlexanderSAQKeymasterHello!
Yes, we are preparing for an anniversary transmission on December 1st, exactly one hundred years since the Grimeton radio station was put into commercial operation on that very date in 1924.
All information about this upcoming transmission will be published within the next few days.
We communicate all our upcoming transmissions on our website and by email to our subscribers. Go to alexander.n.se and subscribe today!Fredrik / Alexander association
P.S. Here’s the link to the live YouTube broadcast: https://www.youtube.com/live/VwINhKcSF5o
AlexanderSAQKeymasterDear Jens,
The secondary windings of the two transformers in the high frequency amplifier system are directly connected to the antenna. The voltage generated across the secondary windings is 2000 V, so here are high requirements for voltage strength of the insulation.
In addition, the secondary windings must withstand lightning strikes coming in from the antenna.As protection for the secondary windings, they are connected to an over-voltage protection, a so-called Jacob’s ladder.
In the event of an over-voltage, an flash-over occurs on the protection and the arc is then led up into the “horns”, where it goes out.
Lightning strikes have thus not been an obstacle to run the transmitter.//Fredrik
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AlexanderSAQKeymasterHello!
A receiver kit for SAQ is available from Execubic AB.
Send your inquiry to info@execubic.se to get price and availability.Fredrik / Alexander association
AlexanderSAQKeymasterHello!
Great to hear that you are planning to come to World Heritage Grimeton Radio Station this summer.
The 2024 Alexanderson Day will take place on Sunday, June 30th. The program for the day is not confirmed yet, but we will make sure to fill the whole day with interesting activities for all visitors. Please subscribe to our newsletter to stay updated: https://alexander.n.se/en/subscribe/Fredrik / Alexander association
AlexanderSAQKeymasterAllen;
The call sign SAQ was assigned in accordance with the 1912 International Radiotelegraph Convention. The 1906 Convention had specified that stations should be assigned call letters that “shall be distinguishable from one another and each must be formed of a group of three letters”, however no provisions were made for allocating call letter blocks among the various nations. Starting with the 1912 Convention, initial letters were allotted to the various signatories.Fredrik / Alexander association
AlexanderSAQKeymasterBill;
From the antenna in Grimeton, the Morse code signals radiated in the form of electromagnetic waves, which followed the earth’s surface at the speed of light. A small portion reached Riverhead, a small village on Long Island outside New York, where receivers were housed in a small house. Here, the radio waves were converted into electric current, which was led into the RCA’s office on Broad Street in central New York.If the addressee was resident in New York, the message was printed out and the telegram was delivered to the addressee by telegram courier. If the telegram was to continue on the American continent, it would be further telegraphed, either by wire connection or by radio.
You can read more here:
https://earlyradiohistory.us/1922RCA.htmFredrik / Alexander association
AlexanderSAQKeymasterBill;
The SAQ transmitter was remotely controlled from the “Radio central” at the Swedish telecom office in Gothenburg, some 80km away from Grimeton.
Telegrams arrived there from the government, from companies and from ordinary people. The messages was guaranteed to be conveyed to the US within 20 minutes, which was much faster than with a transatlantic cable, for example from Norway.
There were four workplaces for transmission, where the contents of the telegrams were punched into perforated strips in special devices. The procedure was called punching and the devices were called perforators. In turn, the perforated strips were then fed into another device called a transmitter. In the transmitter, the information on the hole strips was converted into Morse signals, which were forwarded to Grimeton. There were two permanent telegraph lines which could be used for remote control of the SAQ transmitter and for service messages between the two stations. Typically, the transmitter was started very early in the morning at Grimeton and this was reported to Gothenburg, who then started the punched paper transmitter and directly controlled the telegraph relay on the SAQ transmitter, which sent out the messages into the ether. When there was no more messages, typically very late in the evening, the transmitter was shut down for a few hours until the next day’s telegrams.
The signal between Gothenburg and Grimeton was driven by 48V batteries with the current limited to 30mA, which equals 1.5W. The current was permanent and the morse transmitter in Gothenburg reversed the polarity at “key down”, meaning that the signal relay at Grimeton was forced to open / close and was not depending on a spring. This allowed for very high speed communication, up to 450 characters per minute.Fredrik / Alexander assocation
AlexanderSAQKeymasterGerhard;
There is no exact transmission plan for SAQ but we always announce each transmission on our website and in our newsletter.
You can sign up to the newsletter here: https://alexander.n.se/en/subscribe/Fredrik / Alexander assocation
AlexanderSAQKeymasterBill;
The Alexanderson alternator was in fact designed to transmit both morse code and speech, however the unit at World Heritage Grimeton Radio Station in Sweden is able to send morse code only, this due to the antenna design. The energy in the antenna at resonance is much higher than the input from the transmitter. That means that there is a rise and decay time of some ten milliseconds on the antenna when keying down. This limitation in the antenna will allow only morse code to be sent.
The Grimeton site did not have any means to receive the return signal from the transmission site at Rocky Point on Long Island, US. Instead a dedicated receiving station was located in the city of Kungsbacka, located some 50km north of Grimeton. This arrangement with two separate sites was made in order not to take any risks that the transmission should disturb the reception.Fredrik / Alexander association
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23 december, 2023 kl. 19:49 som svar på: What is the expected frequency accuracy of the transmitter? #10519AlexanderSAQKeymasterDear Ed,
Thanks for your question.
The Alexanderson alternator has a built-in automatic speed control system. From the high frequency generator, 64 individual tangles, each of them picking up the magnetic flux from the rotating disc, are each supplying 100V 30A to the magnetic amplifier, connected to the antenna. However, one of them is used as a feedback to a built-in resonance circuit, located behind the control panel. This circuit can control the feed current to a set of transductors, which each can adjust the supply voltage to the main drive motor. The speed of the drive motor is in direct relation to the generated magnetic flux, i.e. the transmission frequency. So the feedback signal from the Alexanderson alternator will allow for a very stable frequency, usually within +/- 10Hz.Fredrik / Alexander association
27 november, 2023 kl. 21:07 som svar på: Technical Description of the Alexanderson System Written in 1920 #10497AlexanderSAQKeymasterThanks Whitham for the link to the very interesting document by Elmer Eustice Bucher, describing the Alexanderson system.
This document, together with many more rare and unique documents, can be found in our online library, available to our members.
Link here: https://alexander.n.se/en/library/Fredrik / Alexander assocation
AlexanderSAQKeymasterBob;
Thanks for your question about the 3-phase motors.
The 2-phase system was initially the most common power system in Schenectady NY, USA where Ernst FW Alexanderson worked and developed his alternator. When the 3-phase system later was taking over, General Electric and Alexanderson could not financially justify the redesign of the very complex speed control system from 2-phase to 3-phase and therefore kept it 2-phase for the main drive motor. However to change all the small drive motors for water cooling, rheostat circulation an so on, from 2-phase to 3-phase was an easy task.
In the late 1890´s the Westinghouse engineer Charles Scott developed a three-phase transformer that allowed for easy conversion of 2-phase to 3-phase or the reverse.
At Grimeton radio station we have a large 50kV – 2.3kV Scott-connected transformer in the external transformer building, which is supplying the drive motor with its 2-phase power. Inside the transmitter building there is a much smaller 2.3kV – 440V Scott connected transformer which will convert the 2-phase back to 3-phase for supply to all the small motors in the system.Fredrik / Alexander association
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AlexanderSAQKeymasterMany thanks for your feedback on the today’s SAQ test transmission!
Today was very special, as the transmitter has not been in operation for a few months, due to extended building maintenance.
Additionally, during this period, we have made major service on the compensation liquid rheostat, cleaning it out and filling with new fresh water.There are two large liquid rheostats, filled with water and sodium carbonate, where the resistance can be adjusted by increasing or lowering the water level using a motor operated gate. The rotor of the main drive motor is wound three phase, and each lead goes to the start liquid rheostat, to three separate copper bars, from which a set of hollow tubes, with different lengths are mounted, hanging down towards the water level. When operating the gate from the control panel, the water level increases, more tubes will come into contact with the water, and the resistance between the three rotor phases will decrease, giving the motor more torque. At key down, a second compensation liquid rheostat is connected in parallel with the first, resulting in a lower resistance, giving the drive motor a good “torque boost” in order not to drop in speed when all the power shall go out to the antenna.
As the compensation rheostat only is connected when the morse key is pressed down and as the actual load only can be determined when the alternator is connected to the antenna, we have been unable to refill the compensation rheostat with sodium carbonate until today. We use food grade sodium carbonate, with very low chloride levels.
After some calculations, we filled 250g into the rheostat and started the alternator. We managed to get a good tuning of the drive motor speed but the compensation rheostat was at its upper max position, indicating that the sodium carbonate concentration was too low.
So, we added another 50g, retuned the drive motor, added yet another 50g and made a final tuning of the drive motor.
That was what you were hearing during those long tuning sessions today.
After that we ran our “VVV VVV VVV de SAQ” message a couple of times to check that we got good speed stability and good power to the antenna.So, things look good for tomorrow’s transmission which we very much look forward to.
Fredrik / Alexander association
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AlexanderSAQKeymasterDear Jörg,
Here’s a simplified description of how the morse code is created when transmitting with SAQ:
The Alexanderson alternator is supplying a magnetic flux with the frequency 17,200 Hz, or 17.2 kHz via 64 separate windings, each delivering 100V and 30A, which is led to two separate transformers in the high frequency amplifier. 32 leads are going to the first transformer and another 32 leads are going to the second transformer.
Each transformer then has 32 individual primary windings, each of them electrically insulated from each other.
2000V is generated in the secondary winding of each transformer. The secondary windings from both transformers are connected in parallel and further connected to the antenna.
However, there is also a third winding in each transformer, located between the primary and secondary winding. This winding can be supplied with 250V DC, 12A current (3kW), controlled by the morse key. When the morse key is up (no signal) the DC current is flowing through the third middle winding, reducing the amount of energy being induced from the primary to the secondary winding.
At key-down, the current in the middle winding is blocked, and full power is induced into the secondary winding.
So, at key-up there will be a very limited amount of energy going out into the antenna. The magnetic amplifier is simply “leaking” a little carrier wave, which can be detected if you have a sensitive receiver.In addition to the two transformers, there is a second system, also operated by the morse key, to alter the antenna resonance frequency.
In the lower part of the “magnetic amplifier” two “transductors” are located. A transductor is a variable inductance, consisting of a primary winding for the AC and a secondary winding for DC, both placed around an iron core. The iron core works as an inductance for the AC winding, however when 250V 30A current is flowing in the DC winding, the iron core is magnetically saturated and thus reduces its inductance.
The antenna is a resonant circuit with its resonance frequency set to 17.2kHz and the two transductors are connected inline with the antenna.
This means that by key-up, the antenna is not tuned to the resonance frequency, due to the changed inductance in the two transductors.
At key-down, the 250V 12A DC current is blocked, the inductance will be altered and the antenna will be in tune.Ernst Alexanderson invented this system, with all its components, to allow a relatively small DC current of 3kW to control a very large power of 200kW.
Wikipedia is not reflecting the correct function and should be updated.
The speed of the drive motor is very constant. The speed control system is very sophisticated and can be explained in a separate reply, if required.
I hope this explanation will give you a basic understandning of how the morse code is created.Fredrik / Alexander association
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AlexanderSAQKeymasterDear Jens,
Sorry for late reply.
The antenna current meter, located in the upper right corner of the control panel is an important tool in the process of tuning SAQ.
The scale is between 0 – 200A, however it is logarithmic and really hard to read at 50-70A where we are today.
We always try to get as much amperage out into the antenna as possible. On World Radio Day, Feb 13th 2023 we had about 60A on the meter which is just below our target 65A.
The reasons to that could be many, weather, humidity, temperature, and of course, our own skills.Tuning SAQ is a matter of keeping the main drive motor at a very constant speed, both at key-up and at key-down. The speed of the drive motor will directly determine the transmission frequency. There are two large liquid rheostats, filled with water and sodium carbonate, where the resistance can be adjusted by increasing or lowering the water level using a motor operated gate. The rotor of the main drive motor is wound three phase, and each lead goes to one of the liquid rheostats, to three separate copper bars, from which a set of hollow tubes, with different lengths are mounted, hanging down towards the water level. When operating the gate from the control panel, the water level increases, more tubes will come into contact with the water, and the resistance between the three rotor phases will decrease, giving the motor more torque. At key down, a second liquid rheostat will be connected in parallel with the first one, giving a good “torque boost” to the drive motor.
Another aspect of tuning SAQ is to adjust the tuning frequency of the antenna, to exactly match the alternator frequency. This is done by operating an adjustable inductor coil at key-down and observing the meter for outgoing power to the antenna. Turn the inductor coil until maximum power has been reached. Don’t forget to keep an eye on the speed of the drive motor, so that tuning is done at the correct frequency.
//Fredrik
AlexanderSAQKeymasterSorry, you could not hear SAQ in WRD 2023.
We do receive positive reports from New England, this time we have a positive report from NH.
You can check out all received reports here:
https://drive.google.com/open?id=18nSI0tfCQsxGJo9x7YA7tqBSHYopmGpU&usp=sharingFredrik / Alexander association
AlexanderSAQKeymasterBob;
The two DC generator sets for 125/250 V DC consist of two 125 V DC generators each and between these is an induction motor as the drive motor. These DC generators are self-magnetizing, that means they initially build up a voltage by means of remanent magnetism, and then the field winding receives its current from the armature winding. Some consumers need 125 V DC, e.g. relays for speed control and keying as well as the control motors for the antenna connecting switch and the variometer, and receives voltage from one generator. For objects that need 250 V DC, the two generators are connected in series. The magnetic amplifier, the field winding of the high frequency generator and the field windings of the 500 V DC generators use 250 V DC.
Only one of these DC generators is in operation, the other is redundancy.The 500 V DC generator sets consist each of a 500 V DC generator powered by an induction motor. The only function of these DC power supplies is to supply control current to the four transductors that are included in the speed control and are connected in the drive motor supply lines. These DC generators receive their field current from the 250 V DC generators.
Only one of these DC generators is in operation.Only one of these DC generators is in operation, the other is redundancy.Fredrik / Alexander association
AlexanderSAQKeymasterAlexanderSAQKeymasterDear Keith,
Sorry, but Covid-19 will prevent any activity on the Grimeton radio station.
It is such a great disappointment but we have no other options.
Kind regards,
Fredrik/AlexanderSAQAlexanderSAQKeymasterDear Jochen,
We made some tests yesterday and everything went well.
Information about today’s schedule you will find here:Fredrik/AlexanderSAQ
AlexanderSAQKeymasterDear Jochen,
We made some tests yesterday and everything went well.
Information about today’s schedule you will find here:Fredrik/AlexanderSAQ
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